Derrick Ferguson: Do you ever feel
uncomfortable with the rampant racism, sexism and stereotypes in Classic Pulp?
Do you ever get questioned by your friends and acquaintances on your choice of
reading material?
Lucas
Garrett: To be honest, I would rather read fiction of that period because it
was so honest in their sentiments about race, sex, and class. There was no
“political correctness,” and there was nowhere to run and hide. Granted, I
don’t care for the blatant racism in books such as Tarzan, Tom Swift, Hugo
Drummond, and Fu Manchu. Moreover, the Spicy Pulps of that period were
generally horrible towards women. However, the stories were part of that time
period. Right or wrong. And those times were very harsh. That’s why characters
such as Dillon, Fortune McCall, Mongrel, Diamondback, Damballa, Changa, and
Imaro are very important for New Pulp. I feel that one of the greatest literary
tragedies of the 1890’s, all the way into the 1940’s, is that black communities
throughout the United States did not have their own dime novel and pulp writers
to give opposing viewpoints to what was being published at that time. Try to
search “black pulp writers” or “African-American pulp writers” in Google and
see what you get. Nothing. Nothing at all. And that is a shame.
And the
best time for it to have happened would have been the Harlem Renaissance of the
1920’s. That’s why having writers such as Charles Saunders, Milton Davis, and
you, Derrick, is very important. We are playing catch up for over a century of
racial bigotry and prejudice. Better late, than never. As far as anyone knowing
about my interest for pulp literature, they equate it with early
adventure/action fiction. It’s nice, but it’s not interesting enough to due
proper research. If my father were alive, he would understand the history of
pulp literature. Moreover, I think he would realize that I was adding my
perspective to that genre, and “redeeming” it to some extent. If that’s
possible.
DF: Do you feel New Pulp is
addressing and correcting the racism, sexism and stereotypes of Classic Pulp?
LG: Yes. I
do. In my opinion, New Pulp represents a multicultural melting pot of
characters, and civilizations, that approach perils and situations on a
realistic and non-biased perspective. Furthermore, New Pulp use issues such as
racism, sexism, and other bigotries and prejudices to reveal layered reasons
behind them better than Classic Pulp did during the 1920’s. 1930’s, and 1940’s.
DF: In what way does Classic Pulp
speak to you?
LG: Classic
pulp shows me the mindset of the men and women in the racial majority, and in
places of power and prestige, during that time. For a young Caucasian male or
female between the ages of say, 10 to 45, the South American, African, Near
East, Far East, Arctic and Antarctic continents would appear “alien.” The
predominant racial worldview was different back then. Political correctness had
not yet set in on a global scale. Therefore, people, who were not Caucasian,
were considered subservient, or savages to be subdued.
Initially, early pulp
literature (an outgrowth of the dime novel industry of the Gilded/Victorian
period of the 19th century) capitalized on this shared racial worldview. In
addition, you had the Physical Culture movements at the turn of the last
century in countries such as England, Germany, and the United States that mixed
religion with physical fitness, racial hygiene, and perhaps eugenics. Then we
have the wartime trauma of the First World War, and the period of Prohibition,
and the need for “superhuman” vigilantes and heroes to permeate the public’s
consciousness.
When I look
at pulp literature during that time, I also look at the period in which the stories
are published. And they are very telling when it concerns race, politics,
economics, and the infrastructure of societies throughout the world, whether
the information in the stories are factual or assumed. Classic Pulp literature,
whether it is adventure, action, spy, detective, femme fatale, space
opera-based is the mythology based on the racial, sexual, and classist
worldview of the early to mid-20th century. Classic pulp literature
consciously, and unconsciously, taught the societal mores and ethical systems
to generations of children who came of age before, during, and after the two
World Wars.
By the
1950’s, the era of Classic Pulp began to wane and was overtaken by other forms
of literature and other media. However, the serialized and standalone story
structure, and pacing, informed the serials, television series, and films that
came after. Therefore, to a certain extent, Classic pulp never went away. When
you watch films such as the Usual Suspects, Sin City, LA Confidential, Last Man
Standing, The Quick and The Dead, The Rundown, Star Wars, Star Trek, and
Serenity, you are watching Classic Pulp.
When you watch television series such
as Mission: Impossible, Alias, Lost, Nikita, 24, Bones, The Finder, Dollhouse,
Fringe, Eureka, Warehouse 13, Sanctuary, Heroes, and The Event, you are
watching Classic Pulp. Classic Pulp is the truest form of American Mythology
because it continues to permeate all forms of media, and evolve with the times.
Therefore, Classic Pulp has become New Pulp for a new era.
DF: What do you think of New Pulp?
LG: New
Pulp is the literary equivalent of the best action, adventure, detective, and
espionage films and television series being viewed, or in syndication. It
allows the reader to imagine interesting people, cultures, civilizations, and
other worlds in their own minds that are as immersive, and engaging, as going
to see a film in 3-D. And since I’m an immersive reader and thinker, using all
of my senses, I can enjoy novels like Dillon and the Voice of Odin, Dillon and
the Legend of the Golden Bell, and Philip Jose’ Farmer’s Wold Newton-centric
novels such as Time’s Last Gift and The Other Log of Phileas Fogg. I am present
in those stories, viewing every detail written by the author.
What people
get out of virtual reality, video games, television, and film, literature can
do as well. And with New Pulp, reader get more for their dollar, because it is
time they are taking away from watching a television program, or film, playing
a video game, or any other activity. Therefore, the stories had better be worth
the time. New Pulp is not an easy literary industry to be in because of the
competition coming from other forms of literature such as comic books, graphic
novels, and other visual media. However, the material being produced is worth
the struggle, in my opinion. That’s why I read New Pulp.
DF: I’ve been separating the eras of
Pulp into Classic and New but do you think the two should be spoken of and
evaluated as two separate eras?
LG: In
terms of Classic Pulp and New Pulp, I see it as being one continuous link that
has times of prosperity, and times of extreme setback. Call it Classic Pulp or
New Pulp, it’s still Pulp. Pulp literature has evolved to survive, and thrive,
through the times. We happen to be living in a time when it is a thriving
literary industry. The reason I make this statement is that Pulp literature
made a noteworthy comeback in the 1960’s and 1970’s in literature and comics.
Then it somewhat fizzled out in the 1980’s and 1990’s. Furthermore, during
times of economic downturn, Pulp literature seems to come back, and do well.
Usually, because of the rise in criminal activity that accompanies economic
downturns in those societies affected.
The thing
is, because of how Pulp has evolved throughout the 20th and 21st centuries, I
would say that it will survive regardless of such activity. Because it has
become the unseen force behind the media mythology of America and the rest of
the known world. The entertainment industries that exist today owe a huge debt
to Pulp literature. Instead of declining, it has grown in various forms of
entertainment. In Internet terms: Pulp has gone viral. We couldn’t get rid of
it if we wanted to. It’s completely engrained in our popular culture.
DF: You’re a fan of the Wold Newton
Universe. Can you tell us what it’s all about and how you discovered it?
LG: My love
of classic/new pulp comes from my love of the Wold Newton Family and Wold
Newton Universe, which I discovered online between 1999 and 2000. I am a fan of
Timely Comics’ (Marvel Comics’ predecessor) The Invaders, a superhero team that
fought in the Second World War, which included Captain America, Bucky, the
Human Torch, Toro, Sub-Mariner, Spitfire, Union Jack, Miss America, and the
Whizzer. Therefore, I went online to see if there were any articles about them,
and I found an article written by Victorian and Pulp literature historian, Jess
Nevins. The article was entitled “The All-Aces Squad,” and the premise of the
article was that The Invaders, and its predecessor team, the All-Winner’s
Squad, were based on “real” individuals that Stan Lee, Timely Comics’
Editor-in-Chief, had heard about while he was a playwright for the U.S. Army.
In the article, Nevins identified the “real” members behind the All-Winner’s
Squad/Invaders myth, and kept referring to the Wold Newton Family.
Curiosity
got the better of me, I typed ‘Wold Newton Family’ into the AOL search engine,
and I saw numerous websites that talked about the Wold Newton meteor event of
December 13, 1795. The foremost website being Win Scott Eckert’s Wold Newton
Universe website, a website dedicated to
expanding the Wold Newton Family concept developed by a writer by the
name of Philip Jose’ Farmer, who wrote about it in two fictional biographies:
Tarzan Alive: A Definitive Biography of Lord Greystoke (1972), and Doc Savage:
His Apocalyptic Life (1973).
The premise of the Wold Newton Family is that
on December 13, 1795, a meteor fell in the in a wheat field in the town of Wold
Newton, East Riding, Yorkshire, England, and that within a ten-foot radius of
the impact zone, there were two coaches carrying a total of fourteen
passengers, and four coachmen. This party had several individuals who were
written about in the popular literature at that time such as Percy Blakeney,
also known as the Scarlett Pimpernel, Fitzwilliam Darcy and his wife, the
former Elizabeth Bennett, and the ancestors of the literary figures in popular
fiction at the turn of the last century such as Sherlock Holmes, Arsene Lupin,
Fu Manchu, Hugo Drummond, Sexton Blake, George Challenger, The Time Traveler,
Tarzan, Doc Savage, etc.
The thing is, these eighteen individuals were exposed
to the “ionizing” radiation that emitted from the meteor. I put the nature of
the radiation in quotation because I believe that there is more to the meteor
than meets the eye. Furthermore, I do not believe that what the meteor emitted
cannot be considered radiological, and definitely not “ionizing”. I am one a
very few who share this belief. One of whom is Dr. Arthur “Art” Sippo, M.D.
Nevertheless, the meteor affected the genetic structures of those exposed, and
due to intermarriages with the group, as well as other relationships,
descendants were born who were slightly more than human.
DF: What is the fascination that the
Wold Newton Universe has for you?
LG: The
biggest attraction I have to the Wold Newton Family/Universe concept is the
conceit that most literary figures are based on actual people who lived, or are
alive in our “real” world. Therefore, using this concept, Doc Savage is based
on Dr. James Clarke Wildman, Jr., who is the son of Dr. James Clark Wildman,
Sr. who was fictionalized as a young man in the character of “James Wilder” in
the Sherlock Holmes story, “The Adventure of the Priory School,” and as an
older man, as the character “Daniel Hardin,” in Philip Wylie’s proto-Superman
pulp novel, “Gladiator.” It also made the “real” world appear more fascinating
than it actually is. Ironically, the Wold Newton concept has inadvertently
caused me to delve into other literature, which has broadened my literary
horizons. Because without it, I never would have read a novel by Jane Austen.
It wasn’t going to happen. Philip Jose’ Farmer changed my mindset. And, for
that alone, I am indebted to him.
DF: Do you subscribe to the Tommy
Westphall Theory?
LG: No. I
look at Pulp literature, Classic Pulp in particular, as being stories based on
something that may have happened, or could have happened, if the conditions were
right for it during the periods in time in which the stories are published, or
set. The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis is both a genius concept, as well
as a cop out, in my opinion. Because it shattered the Fourth Wall of
storytelling, and caused the viewer to feel that they shouldn’t have invested
their time and thoughts in the lives of the characters from St. Elsewhere.
Personally, I think that the writers just ran out of steam. It was similar to
what happened in the television series, Dallas, when Pamela Ewing woke up to
find Bobby Ewing alive; after all season seeing her, and the rest of Ewing
family, deal with Bobby’s death. You can’t mess with fans like that, and think
there won’t be consequences. If you are dealing with exposing the viewer, or
the reader, to the fact that the world you are immersed in is not “real”, then
it needs to be explained at the beginning of the story, or people will not
understand. That’s what made the Matrix film trilogy successful. The first
Matrix film established that everything we see is an illusion. Therefore, when
things started to look a little bizarre in the “real” world of the Matrix, such
as towards the end of Matrix Reloaded, the viewers have that concept to anchor
them.
DF: Do you have any ambitions of
being a writer? If so, are you working on anything right now?
LG: Yes, I
do aspire to become a published writer. I’m working on an outline project for a
book about Steampunk-era werewolves set in turn of the 20th century Atlanta,
Georgia. The plot revolves around a family of southern Black werewolves who are
bred by a certain well-known Victorian literary mad scientist to be ferocious
slave catchers before the Civil War. However, this family used their abilities
to liberate plantations throughout Georgia and to form “Free Towns” that are
patrolled night and day by them. The story starts with the grandchildren of the
patriarch who was given the serum by the doctor while in utero in the 1830’s.
In fact, the patriarch of the family was born on November 11, 1831, the day Nat
Turner is executed in Virginia for his attempted slave uprising earlier that
year. I take elements from Philip Wylie’s novel, “Gladiator,” and postulate
that there may have been induced superhuman programs, independently funded, and
conducted, for nearly a century prior to the First World War.
DF: What’s
a typical Day In The Life of Lucas Garrett like?
LG: Working
mostly. I work an eight-hour shift from 2:00 PM to 10:00 PM for five days, and
the two days I am off, I read for research purposes to help me craft my
outlines. I take short breaks, play with my dog, exercise, and I get on
Facebook to see what is going on in the Forum groups I’m involved in. And from
time to time, I go on dates. Nothing serious. That’s it.
Derrick Ferguson: Anything else we
need to know about Lucas Garrett?
Lucas
Garrett: Not at this time. Thank you very much for allowing me the opportunity
to share my interest in Pulp literature